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New Orleans (CNN)Two Republican-appointed judges hearing a Trump-backed challenge to Obamacare strongly suggested Tuesday that when Congress eliminated the penalty for not buying health insurance it threw the entire landmark health care law into question, including protections for those with pre-existing conditions.

Two of the three judges on the appellate panelin New Orleans — Jennifer Elrod, a George W. Bush appointee, and Kurt Engelhardt, a President Donald Trump appointee — gave the appearance that they might side with a lower court judge who ruled last year that the whole law should be struck down.
Chief Justice John Roberts in 2012 famously upheld Obamacare by declaring it legal as a tax. But since the tax is now zero, conservatives say the law is doomed.
“If you no longer have the tax, why isn’t it unconstitutional?” Elrod asked.
If the challenge to the Affordable Care Act — filed by a group of 18 Republican states, led by Texas, and later joined by the Trump administration — is upheld, it would do what Trump and a GOP-led Congress failed to accomplish in 2017: take down Obamacare.
And while Trump has repeatedly said that people with pre-existing conditions,such as cancer and diabetes, would be covered even if the law is struck down, he has not issued any specific plans to do so.
“What happened in 2017 … is that Congress took away”– effectively undercut — the core of Roberts’ opinion calling it a tax, argued Texas Solicitor General Kyle Hawkins. Because of that, Roberts’ holding that the law is valid based on Congress’ taxing power is now “irrelevant,” Hawkins said.
The Democratic-led House of Representatives and a coalition of 21 Democratic states, led by California, argued that Congress hadn’t intended to kill the full law when it set the individual mandate tax penalty to zero. If Congress had wanted to nix other provisions, they argued, it would have done so as part of the same tax law.
“The entire Affordable Care Act can cooperate without the individual mandate,” said Samuel Siegel, California’s deputy solicitor general, noting that some lawmakers were clear at the time that they wanted only to act on the penalty.
In fact, priorefforts to further gut the law were defeated when the late Sen. John McCain cast his “no” vote after midnight in a dramatic Senate session.
Douglas Letter, arguing for the now-Democratic-controlled House of Representatives, said Texas and the other Republican-led states are exaggerating the effectof the tax law.
“Texas said ‘HA! — you just did something unconstitutional,’ ” Letter said.
Even though the tax penalty is now zero, Letter argued, people still have a choice: Buy insurance or don’t.
“That means the choice is still there,” he said. In fact, he argued, “there’s less coercion than there was before” to buy insurance.
Hawkins, for his part, rejected any interpretations of Congress’ intentions in 2017.
“I’m not in a position to psychoanalyze Congress,” he said.
Judge Carolyn Dineen King, a President Jimmy Carter appointee who’s the third member of the panel, asked no questions during the proceedings.
A ruling is not expected until later thisyear. The 5th US Circuit Court of Appeals is considered one of the most conservative appellate courts in the country, and the losing side is assured to appeal to the Supreme Court.

Engelhardt: Courts can’t be a ‘taxidermist’ for every major law

Engelhardt appeared to question why the fate of the Affordable Care Act was being left to judges instead of lawmakers.
If there’s a debate over what Congress intended first in 2010 and then in 2017, then Congress and the White House should clarify the issue, the judge said.
“There is a political solution here,” he said, adding that the courts should not be a “taxidermist” for every big-ticket law Congress passes.
The Senate, which remains Republican-controlled, did not join the case — a fact Engelhardt noted.
“There’s sort of an 800-pound gorilla that isn’t here,” he said during the hearing.
Letter countered that the House cannot “fix” the problem on its own, saying the Senate and Trump must also sign on — which they “obviously” would not — eliciting snickers in the courtroom.

Justice Department’s position challenged

Notably, the Trump administration is not defending the law. Initially, it argued that zeroing out the penalty invalidates only two of the law’s protections for those with pre-existing conditions — specifically, the provisions banning insurers from denying people policies or charging them more based on their medical histories.
But in a surprise move in March, the Justice Department said it now agreed with the December ruling that the entire Affordable Care Act should be struck down.
Elrod and Engelhardt gave the administration a hard time in court Tuesday. They pressed the Justice Department’s attorney, August Flentje, on what would happen if the courts found that the law was unconstitutional.
Flentje said the administration is “appreciative” that the district judge put his ruling on hold, stressing that if the Affordable Care Act falls, a lot must be sorted out.
“It’s complicated,” he said, noting that the case should go through all the appeals first.
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The judges questioned whether Obamacare could be invalidated only in the 18 states that brought the lawsuit, while remaining valid in the rest of the country.
Letter later jumped on Flentje’s ambiguous responses, saying the Department of Justice’s position makes no sense. It would be impossible to divide up certain provisions by state, Letter said,pointing out one that makes it easier to bring to market lower-cost versions of certain complex drugs.
Trump is pinning his hopes on the court striking down the law, allowing him to fulfill his campaign promise to repeal it. But congressional Republicans are keeping their distance, since it would give Democrats fodder to attack the GOP for not protecting those with pre-existing conditions — a hallmark of the law.
Trump has repeatedly said he is working on a replacement planthat will preserve those protections but has yet to release any details. He has said Congress won’t vote on it until after next year’s presidential election.
The administration’s stance left the task of defending Obamacare to a coalition of Democratic attorneys general and the House of Representatives, which joined in earlier this year after Democrats took control of it.
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Overturning the law would have far-reaching consequences, way beyond disrupting coverage for the millions of people who get their health insurance on the exchanges or through Medicaid expansion.
Obamacare saves senior citizens money on their Medicare coverage and prescription drugs. It lets many Americans obtain free birth control, mammograms and cholesterol tests. And it allows children to stay on their parents’ health insurance plans until they turn 26. Even the Trump administration is using the law to try to lower prescription drug prices.
The Affordable Care Act’s broad impact on the health care system is central to the arguments of both sides — with Texas saying the passage of the law has forced it to spend more money, and California charging that the law’s nullification would cost it money.
This story has been updated.

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